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EDITOR’S NOTE: We already said it here. Now Shiller is saying it. Housing prices WILL keep going down despite the amount of the drop already apparent. And the prices are lower than anything that is actually measured.

Example: AFTER the crash, a friend of mine put his house up for sale for $495,000. The house had been appraised at $895,000. No buyers even looked at it. He lowered it to $445,000. Nothing. He lowered it to $395,000. Still nothing. He lowered it to $349,000. A buyer showed up and the deal was closed at $325,000 on a home with 7 acres, greenhouse, pool, etc. Cash proceeds after the closing were less than $300,000. The price used for measurement by Shiller and others is $325,000. So the actual proceeds are around 10% less than the price on the contract. The $895,000 home went down to $300,000, a decline of 74%+,  and by all reckoning by experts who have been proven right many times over, if he had waited any longer he would have received even less.

Buyers are both not interested and not getting financing even if they were interested. The only deals that are being made are cash purchases, which in my example, was exactly the case. Buyers will remain uninterested as prices continue to slip, and even when prices seem to bottom out they will start heading for lower territory after a while, as this crash has continually demonstrated. Title and title insurance is becoming an increasing concern by buyers and the prospective sources of lending. If the property was ever subject to a loan that was claimed to be securitized, the satisfaction of the old mortgage was probably void or invalid, but that might be OK because the old mortgage might not have been valid to begin with.Who wants to play in that sandbox?

The entire problem relates to one thing: just as prices were artificially inflated by Wall Street antics, now the prices are being artificially deflated by Wall Street antics. The answer is the elephant in the living room. None of the mortgages that were claimed as securitized were valid, enforceable or foreclosable. The “inventory” of REO homes doesn’t really exist. The assets on the balance sheets of banks don’t really exist. And rather than face the problem, everyone is rearranging deck chairs as the Titanic sinks sending all of us to our doom, because of the ensuing drag on the economy. At some point Wall Street will no longer have a voice. Until then both the housing market and therefore the economy will be headed south.

 

Home-Price Drop of 25% Wouldn’t Shock Shiller

By John Gittelsohn – Jun 9, 2011Bloomberg

Robert Shiller, the economist who co- founded the S&P/Case-Shiller index of U.S. home prices, said a further decline in property values of 10 percent to 25 percent in the next five years “wouldn’t surprise me at all.”

“There’s no precedent for this statistically, so no way to predict,” Shiller said today at a conference hosted by Standard & Poor’s in New York.

U.S. home prices plunged 33 percent in 20 cities through March from their 2006 peak, reaching their lowest level since 2003, according to a Case-Shiller report on May 31. The decline signaled a “double dip” as the index fell below its previous post-housing-bubble low set in April 2009. Prices more than doubled from 2000 to July 2006.

A backlog of foreclosures poised to hit the market means prices may stay depressed, dissuading builders from starting new construction. Unemployment, which rose to 9.1 percent in May, and stricter lending conditions are signs that any recovery in housing may take years.

Shiller’s comments paint a more pessimistic possibility for home prices than other forecasts. Additional declines will be “incremental,” Bank of America Corp. (BAC) Chief Executive Officer Brian T. Moynihan said on June 1.

While it would be a surprise to see prices fall steeply, it’s possible for homes to lose more value if inflation picks up, Karl Case, co-founder of the index, said today.

Real Terms

“You could have flat nominal prices but still have it go down 20 percent,” Case said during an interview at the conference. “If house prices stabilize, they could still go down in real terms. If we had inflation, it’d be great, because it’d mask a 25 percent decline.”

A model for the U.S. may be Japan, where home prices fell for 15 years after that country’s real estate bubble burst in the early 1990s, Shiller said.

“They lost close to two-thirds of their value,” Shiller said. “Then they went up for one year in 2006 and then they started going down again.”

Forecasting home prices is impossible because there’s no historical precedent for the real estate bubble of the 2000s and the subsequent price drop, Shiller said.

“In real terms, there has never been a bust of this proportion,” he said. “Even in the Great Depression, home prices fell nominally approximately almost as much as they did recently. But that was with all prices falling. So real estate prices didn’t go down hardly at all during the Depression.”

To contact the reporter on this story: John Gittelsohn in New York at johngitt@bloomberg.net

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Kara Wetzel at kwetzel@bloomberg.net